"Is that what the gospel is all about?". I am responding simply to share that theres another side the story and I wish I/we had an opportunity to share such a story without fear of legal action (thats right, the church has threatened legal action against me as well as threatened that if I say anything at all negative about the church they will trespass me prevent me from dropping off and picking up my kids at First Baptist Academy. We reached out to leaders at FBC Naples about a dozen times, seeking evidence for the racism charge, as well as comment on other issues at the church, but no one responded. It was all being done vindictively and not in a righteous, godly manner., Concerned families gravitated to the Caudills, who had served in SBC churches for over 50 years. Some of these blacks are church leaders. FBC Naples, Floridas longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. How about Luke 16:11 So if you have not been trustworthy in handling worldly wealth, who will trust you with true riches? Men who run a church into so much debt that it is soon bankrupt with one plague of pestilence, why do we believe Jesus gave such man any true riches or wisdom at all? Christians should model justice and love to the world. In addition, those who have been excommunicated, as well as former Pastor Hayes Wicker, say they feel like their reputations have been sullied. The controversy, which quickly spread in religious circles online, has suddenly thrust the North Naples church into an unwelcome spotlight, much to the dismay of some members. **Statements about the actions taken by FBC Naples leadership assume the fidelity of Pulpit & Pens inside source. I just wish so many from my former church would open their eyes and see whats going on. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad., Similarly, Caudill stated, First Baptist Naples still has potential to be used greatly by God. No church creed has ever taught the nonsense that had become so pervasive in evangelicalism. The leadership structure for the past 500 years in pretty much all of our churches is just refurbished Roman Catholicism. Yet despite all thats happened, Wicker said, I pray people would not use this to come against megachurches or seeing all committees as bad.. You obviously didnt pay attention to everything in that article, only the points you chose to focus on on. He nevertheless urged them to contend earnestly for the faith against all falsehood, while doing everything possible to deliver souls from destruction: snatching them out of the fire . Trust me, I have been guilty of that very same thing myself and Ive learned the hard way being on the other side. Second, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. encouraged color blindness. Upvote 3 Downvote. Edie, the church's executive pastor, however, called Hayes "one of the most qualified men in Southern Baptist life to be a Senior Pastor of any church in this country.". As a side note, is the implication that if a white* person disagrees with a person of colour on the legitimacy of Woke political philosophy/identity-building/self-definition in the church, that person must necessarily be a racist? Christianity Today (CT) reported in November that Neil Dorrill had claimed at a Q&A session that inappropriate emails had been sent to Hayess church in North Carolina, Biltmore Church. In the email, the group warned that Hayes had endorsed Woke Church, a book that the email claimed was promoting cultural Marxism., The email also objected to Hayes reportedly saying that he rejects the concept that a person can look at a person of color and see no color. The authors wrote, Paul is clear to us in Philippians 3:2-10 that we are to have no confidence in the flesh of our ethnicity.. "My heart goes out to his family," Hayes wrote. Church leadership announced that a new senior pastor was not hired because the nominee failed to meet the 85% approval threshold. Marcus D. Hayes, a pastor from Hendersonville, North Carolina, was brought before the church congregation on the weekend of Oct. 26 and 27 by the church'spastor search committee to affirm him as the next senior pastor. So is my wife. Stephens said neither she nor any member of her family wrote the e-mail, adding that none of the church staff ever reached out or spoke to me. She also said the detectives told her that no criminal actions had taken place.. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. Hayes, a member of the North Carolina executive committee of the Southern Baptist Convention,garnered endorsements from other church leaders, including the president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Wickers hopes for a smooth transition have been dashed. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church, that raises up the next generation of disciple makers, . In it, the group details questions it has about Hayes' qualifications, his tweets and beliefs. There are many more than five things you should know about this situation that obviously you either do not know, or have chosen to ignore because they dont support your rhetoric. Colson thought so highly of an oath of integrity that Wicker had written that Colson included the oath in his landmark book,The Body. We reached out to Dorrill, but he refused to answer any questions. Almost unbelievable saga of incompetence. Marcus Hayes, an African-American who is on staff at Biltmore Church in the Asheville, North Carolina area, was the candidate. Wicker, a former President of the Florida Baptist Convention and the SBC Pastors' Conference, was such a high-profile leader and fundraiser for Baptist causes that his retirement was covered by Baptist Press, which reported the following on February 4th: "To our knowledge, he has never handleda multi-million-dollar budget, building programs, fundraising and/or staffing issues as required by a Senior Pastor," the group wrote. Sad on many, many levels! It seems rather patronizing to minorities to assert that every minority persons ideas must be legitimate because the propounder is of a certain colour. Generally, at Southern Baptist churches incoming pastors are approved by a majority of the church body upon recommendation from an elected search committee and/or pastoral staff, Stearns wrote. God has done great things among us and we believe that greater things are yet to come! Terms of Service And because it promises rewards to individuals and organizations influence, students, platform it is both very hard to criticize and functionally unaccountable to any but its own. Hi, Carla. The pastor was amazing, the atmosphere electrifying, we had fallen in love with the pastor. The GRAND OLD STANDARD, the Baptist Faith and the Message, swallowed up by an effective indoctrination of the Faithful by the Left. (Auxanos founder, Will Mancini, also serves as director of consulting for Lifeway, the publishing division of the SBC.). No One Knows. I guess thats why this slanderous information is labeled as commentary. weekend the congregation failed Yet Caudill said that instead of calling a special meeting in accordance with church bylaws, the leadership at FBC Naples excommunicated 18 of the Concerned Members, including Caudill. The actions described in this article, which by the way are just the tip of the iceberg, were unloving, ungodly, and unbecoming of pastors charged with shepherding Gods flock. emails from the accused church members reveal that dissenters were The church by-laws allow for the expulsion of members without consulting the entire church body. "There are no terms to describe what has happened here other than sin. For the church's leadership, "it exposed a sickness in what we characterize as a cancer within our fellowship," he continued in the letter, which also asked for forgiveness from Hayes and his wife and "any other person who has been offended, hurt, or damaged by the outcome" of the vote. (Hayes this month took his first senior pastor position at a church in Texas.). The Asbury Revival Is Over. In 2016, under the leadership of its former pastor, the church changed its bylaws to adopt the85%approval rule, instead of a simple or super-majority, Stearns continued. First, I didnt think it was fair to put a new pastor in the midst of such corruption and confusion. When HE transitioned the church from Elders to committees the ground work was laid for unbiblical polity. You may recall this line from his I have a dream speech: I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I believe Dr. King was right. Similarly, SBC president J.D. Christian Rocker Posts Stunning Response to Recent Apostasy of Christian Leaders, Chicago Radio Host & a Former Bodyguard Say James MacDonald Asked Them to Arrange Murders, James MacDonald Took Millions from Harvest & Now Demands Broadcast Ministry, Mancow Airs Shocking Comments By James MacDonald: My Response. Curious timing of raising those concerns. Have attended a lot of Southern Baptist Churches. God used their faithfulness and devotion to create a mighty ministry through FBCN. Like when my colorblind friends didnt understand my discomfort when we chose to stop on a road trip in a small town with confederate flags waiving everywhere. Why did the church leadership behave in such an aggressive and dismissive manner? Your Connection Portal. Sources close to the church administration have said they fear raising any issues that might bring adverse consequences to them, their children, or their grandchildren. about the pastoral transition process at the church, a process which has descended First Baptist Church Naples. The First Naples School of Worship Arts exists to develop Christ-honoring worshipers through quality instruction for the purpose of exalting the Lord with their God-given talents and abilities. (Hey, and I know white people who love Woke Church!) Great! I think this one would have died even if none of this soap opera garbage had taken place. ", CONSIDER SUBSCRIBING TODAY: Help support local journalism, More: Read the letter from First Baptist to church members regarding voting results, In a letter to church membersshortly after the failed vote, the church pointed the finger at groupscalled "Voices of FBCN" and"Group of Concerned FBCN Members.". Grateful that FBCN is moving toward amputating the racists, tweeted Rev. Jude certainly understood this. Connect with the reporter at patrick.riley@naplesnews.com or on Twitter @PatJRiley. Nothing new in this article. church as large as FBC Naples. JUST STOP THE HATE. Naples, FL 34109 (239) 597-2233. In November, Caudill sent a letter to several prominent SBC leaders, including President Greear and SEBTS President Danny Akin, urging them to retract their statements supporting the racism narrative offered by FBC Naples. FBC Naples also sent several cease and desist letters from prominent law firm, Holland & Knight, to several church members suspected of having involvement with the Voices of FBCN email. close to Wicker, contacted Pulpit & Pen with disturbing details Submit. Naples, FL, 34109 Customers Love Us "Great experience! The process did not adhere to or reflect any biblical model. JD Greear and his woke cronies attempted a coup at FBC Naples and were thwarted on a grand level. We asked him to allow us to hug him. hating even the garment polluted by the flesh (Jude 23). Also concerning to the group was the fact that Marcus Hayes didnt respond to a letter Concerned Members of FBCN had sent him a week earlier, outlining their issues at the church. Love for Jesus, for my fellow brother/sister and love for the truth. The leadership spread negative comments about the pastor and accused him of acting in bad faith, according to sources close to the church. action has been taken to enact church discipline on the dissenters because of Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Church members are upset over the treatment of the retiring pastor who served 27 years at FBC Naples FBC Naples, Florida's longtime senior pastor Hayes Wicker announced his retirement from pastoring the church in January 2019. Bunch of old white guys with too much time on their hands and too many books in their personal theology libraries. First, there are blacks who strenuously object to books like Woke Church, as well as intersectionality, and reparations for slavery. The power plays, ego trippin (yes, I did say trippin), greed, pride, etc., has been going on throughout church history. #JemelRoberson https://t.co/Y1dMXQY33N, But the Group of Concerned FBNC Members, citing the tweet, said Hayes should be questioned about his relationship with first responders, specifically police, "and his thoughts on such topics as Ferguson, police shootings involving people of color, etc. He also didnt meet the qualifications for the job. If I had known that, there would have been no resignation whatsoever.. ", "After reviewing a little deeper we find that "social justice" and racial inequality appear to be his priority as it pertains to the church and ministry!" Carla, thanks to my excommunicated status, I guess you could call me one of the dissenters and racists. Its devastating to the proclamation of the Gospel. Dorrill near the end of a Nov. 2 service told the congregation that "the integrity of our election last weekend was compromised. Naples Christmas Celebration. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. "A portion of the 19% that voted against Marcus Hayes did so based on racial prejudices," Executive Pastor John D. Edie wrote in an Oct. 31 letter to the Southern Baptist Convention. Of course they did. Jonathan Head November 26, 2011. And guess what? We were on cloud nine. and make way for younger leadership to carry the ministry forward. Concerned Members of FBCN says the petition received 800 signatures. Well-sourced. We must keep those objectives straight; we are not entitled to wage warfare against people or to enter into diplomatic relations with anti-Christian ideas. If it can happen at FBC Naples, it can happen anywhere. There is no room in our Gospel for racism, none whatsoever. Hotels. For adults and children ages 4+, we offer private and group lessons on the church campus with experienced musicians who are devoted to giving their . Wicker said the future for him and his wife is uncertain. 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I spoke at length with this individual and how no reason to doubt the veracity of the individuals accounts. I just want to point out that when you say things like I am in a biracial marriage, it sounds a LOT like I have a black friend. Trust me, that gets you little more than eye-rolling. Privacy Policy We have known Hayes & his family as good Christian people etc.for over 25 years. Our constitution and bylaws stated that a Senior Pastor must be affirmed by at least an 85% or higher vote. pastoral staff has publicly accused church members who did not approve of Marcus During Wickers 27-year tenure, FBC Naples grew from 400 weekly attendance to over 3,000. What Happens Now? It also shapes my needs, which tend to go forgotten or overlooked if you refuse to see I am a black woman. Rather than bringing members who are accused of sin before the church body for examination, members are being removed from the church rolls through actions taken directly by deacons and pastoral staff without a vote of the church body. Marcus Hayes based upon prejudice, our church loves all people of all colors equally," Stearns wrote. Help Guides You would call Martin Luther King an Uncle Tom Im sure. My heart goes out to his family. Ive already been excommunicated and humiliated. But a question and answer session with Hayes and his wife held by the church on Oct. 24 offers some glimpses into the opposition that built against the prospective new senior pastor and the apparent rift between church leadership and some in the congregation. Exactly right. Giving. Select the event you would like to attend below: FRIDAY, Dec 9 (7pm) NO RESERVATIONS AVAILABLE. We are ambassadorswith a message of good news for people who walk in a land of darkness and dwell in the land of the shadow of death (Isaiah 9:2). to be clear. Takeaway: The problems here illustrate how important biblical models of church governance and judicial process are. To donate. The day after excommunicating the 18 members, FBC Naples lay leadership and pastoral staff sent an open letter to the SBC, accusing some who didnt vote for Hayes, whos a member of the SBC Executive Committee, of racism. This sequence of events raised many questions for me and my wife, Caudill said. I am Caucasian from Eastern Europe. ", Church officials, however, have been largely mum on the details of the alleged campaign and racism. At Berean Baptist Church, we have one message-the message of the Lord Jesus Christ, and one ministry-the ministry He has given us to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. It also appears that the SBC concluded too soon who was in the right. Stop making everything about race. Thanks for submitting! But with all due respect, be careful commenting on things you dont understand or have first hand knowledge of. Proverbs 18:17. 3000 Orange Blossom Drive. They have been in my heart and prayers since this happened. Pastor Hayes is the Pastor. Leading the Q&A session, Dorrill alluded to the past year for the church, which saw its longtime senior pastor, Hayes Wicker, leave amid dissatisfaction by some church members over the circumstances of his departure. Other parts of the email laid out concerns the group had with Hayes' tweets about books that deal with race and religion and questioned whether he had the necessary experience to take the post as senior pastor. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. Roku Live Streaming, Copyright 2023 ITP Productions, Inc. dba ChristianWorldMedia.com, All Rights Reserved, Welcome to First Naples! I was shocked that they would make this immediate, Wicker said. THAT IS OK! The shooting drew national headlines, outrage and questions about whether race factored into the officers decision to open fire. More: Read the letter from the church to the Southern Baptist Convention, "Our Pastoral Staff and leadership are deeply grieved and embarrassed," Edie wrote. Blake Crawford and former deacon, Mike Dolan, said they were also suspended around that time. I had the privilege of knowing this young man! What does this say about Big Eva? Totally the act of Satan in this issue because where the Spirit of the Lord is there is peace. Find a local church Explore; Giving; App; Sign In; Find a Church; Florida; Naples, FL Need to read the book by Shelby Steele White Guilt where he lays out perfectly the Marist agenda going on. The final vote was 81 percent in favor and 19 percent against. The process offers no protections for those suspected worthy of dismissal, so it invites rampant abuse. Dorrill did not elaborate on how the process was compromised, and Bonnett did not answer emailed questions about the matter. The campaign, he said in an email to the Daily News, consisted of social media, texting, phone calls and a series of emails. The article above has been corrected to identify the group as Voices of FBCN. And it is must never be carried out with retribution in mind, but always with the hope of restoration. FBA is a discipleship school dedicated to preparing the next generation to serve in God's Kingdom. The biggest reason most did not vote yes, had to do with the fact that people didnt think it was fair to ask Marcus to uproot his family and relocate to a church that was in COMPLETE turmoil and had a leadership that was REFUSING to acknowledge it. It may interest you to go over to TWW and read their article, as well as the comments from members of that church who state they were unfairly misrepresented in their vote against this new pastor. Toward that end, the site requires that people use their full name when commenting. One Denomination that claims to hold the Christian faith to avoid is the Southern Baptist Churces and their affiliations. He said the church was hopeful that Hayes would allow his name to be reconsidered as the church's next senior pastor or interim pastor. Good Ole Fascist techniques of taking away 1A rights are even occurring within the church. "They are reaching their community and showing the care and love that the community desperately needs." Photos courtesy of FBC Naples Hearts With Hands Church leadership responded in an email to members, calling the Voices of FBCNs email inaccurate and slanderous and claiming that a security breach of the churchs email list had occurred. Racial prejudice a factor in rejection of black pastor, read the headline of a piece published in the Baptist Standard. Food. concerned with factors other than racism, such as Marcus Hayes Ill never bother with a Church again, because this is always going to be an issue. However, leaked is a pastoral search committee? The separation was hardly amicable. Photos See More Hours Mon: 8am - 5pm Tue: 8am - 5pm Wed: 8am - 5pm Thu: 8am - 5pm Fri: 8am - 5pm On social media, too, some church members said race played no role in the failed vote. I have no hate here. However, the email also expressed concerns about Hayes ability to reconcile the deeply divided church. First Naples glorifies God by being a multigenerational, multiethnic, multiplying church. In 2001, Dorrill pled guilty to racketeering conspiracy charges in connection with the Stadium Naples corruption scandal. Looking for past sermons? Im inclined to believe it wasnt racially motivated. FBC Napless accusations and treatment of Pastor Wicker upset dozens of church members. 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