So you ask like, "Why do people do bad things?". And this is the difference between Kaiser Wilhelm and of course Hitler's Germany. And give up the few details that they really needed to link him, certifiably, to all these crimes. Um, could you just- just tell me, uh, the little story that you begin your book with? And everyone thought, "Well, we know the solution. Clara, also from Breslau, also from a Jewish family. The Bad Show. Then a few months later, he started calling me trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P Sloan Foundation enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. And when nitrogen and hydrogen bond together, the thing you get-. And later that night after the party Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills 'cause he's asleep, um, and she takes his service revolver. And not to everybody's taste. Yes, it's awesome, thank you, Ben. He started calling me a whore and told me he didn't love me anymore. And 91% of the men said yes. And he is celebrated for it. And that tonnages then moves into our food source, our food source then moves into our bodies, and the rough statistics are that half of each of our bodies contains nitrogen from the Haber process. Today's date is, uh, June 17th. Meaning to life to reveal itself in a way that restores order and gives us hope that all of this isn't just meaningless chaos. We want what Elizabethan's got at the scaffold, which was a confession. That is captured the nitrogen right out of the air. So, there's a way in which it touch a spark of humanity. And then, walks away from his child and his wife dead in the garden and says-. Of course nobody wants to be killing other people. Within minutes the gas reached the Allied side. This next part's a little graphic. Do you leave this experiment in a light mood or in a dark mood overall? Because if they're going to record it, I mean I'm going to record it here to but [inaudible 00:27:30]. We don't exactly know why. Thousands of people have done it before you. And you've done this how many times before. Although, clearly, on some level they know it isn't. Live shows were first offered in 2008. They're trying to do the right thing. They're engaged with the test, they're trying to be good participants. He figures out a way to take a lot of air that's filled with these little nitrogen bonds clinging to each other and pump it to a big iron tank. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. In case you've never heard of this, probably have, but in case you haven't, here's what he did. His experiment remains one of the most famous experiments of the 20th century. A lot of them are really positive even though they've just been told that they were duped. We're all great apes. But the generals were not all that convinced? Cruelty, violence, badness. You know [crosstalk 00:25:00]. That's historian, Fritz Stern, who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. And he says, "Because of the rage." Even past when they were screaming in pain. And he said, "Look, this is what you're going to do is Of course, you don't want to do this. RadioLab is supported by Rocket Mortgage by Quicken Loans. So he starts experimenting. And then, Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering her with a pillow. You know [crosstalk 00:10:58]. We were just enacting an old, very famous experiment that you may have heard about. And he is basically homeless at this point. Every time that guy got the word wrong. Copyright 2019 New York Public Radio. Speaking with Carol's mom, Carol's little daughter-, Killed her. You're not the first one. They've got a- a very plausible, very credible high status scientist at a high status scientific institution. I'll go along with this.". And Satan's like, "Well, I- I bet I can change his mind." Dan doesn't think so, but what's clear is that he saw no reason to question what he had done and that infuriated Clara. All right. The thing is that I do have a new boyfriend, but my ex boyfriend doesn't know that- that yet, and I'm terrified that he'll do what he says. And then, the final one. Zyklon A, which was originally just a pesticide-. And he spent five years in a futile effort to distill gold from the ocean's waters. And my father wasn't buying it. And actually, this wasn't just the German thing. And today, evil? A lot of people were beginning to worry that with about a billion and a half people in the planet at that point, that maybe we were maxing out. In that, "Why?" More information about Sloan at www.sloan.org. And one of the first acts that the Nazis do is to-, That says, "There shall be no Jews in the civil service. So, as we begin this episode of the Bad Show, check out The Blank Slate by Steven Pinkner, one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind. And there is no doubt that today's plants and animals carry the genetic legacy of ancestors who fought fiercely to survive and reproduce. When we asked how close she came to killing him, she estimated 60 percent. According to James, he is not the baddest-. And he ran them through something like what you and I just did. Mm-hmm (affirmative), Mm-hmm (affirmative). This is what's driving the world towards 10, 12 by 2050. And once again, another nitrogen compound. Well I mean, I know it does, sir. My students are murderers.". Radiolab is supported by Casper. Which was sort of asking these questions like, "What makes a person inherently good or bad? We're going off tape now. Just tiptoes out, just from time to time. He refuses what we fully expect and what everybody on stage at that moment fully expects from him. Milgram staged the whole thing like it was some experiment about memory and punishment, but of course it wasn't about that. So, these are some word pairs. But the generals were not all that convinced. And why is it so important, do you think, to understand the why behind such an evil act? in this episode we begin with a chilling statistic: 91% of men, and 84% of women, have fantasized about killing someone. Was he trying to make a commentary or something? No. This is basically what Stanley Milgram set out to test. You know, he does it without humility, without- without a lot of doubt. And even when they do say, "Yes." By the way, that's reporter [Latif Nassar 00:30:59]. [inaudible 00:59:10] I went back one time before and [inaudible 00:59:13] that I Like I said, I got to give it out, can't keep holding it in. And-. And it's a craft, but it's a craft with consequences, and to approach it with kind of crazy joy? And what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into sea water, which contains very small levels of gold. Thank you to Jim Shapiro, whose most recent book is called Contested Will. Oh, that right there, slap some quotations around that. Go on please. The Blank Slate follows one of the world's leading experts on language and the mind as he explores the idea of human nature and its moral emotional and political coverings. Was it nice day, nice sky, nice job, or nice chair? So, the subject seemed willing to shock another human being, but as soon as you say it's an order. But he is a large, very strong man with a black belt in karate. No motives. He's a master planner. "Why did you inflict all this suffering on them, on us? Did members of Haber's family die in the concentration camp? even past when they were screaming in pain. This actually brings us to our first top of the hour, so just to set it up, Robert, I'm going to give you this piece of paper here. Terms and conditions apply. This has allowed the world to have 7 billion people. When I stand before you, judges of Israel, in this court to accuse Adolf Eichmann. There's trench warfare, it gets bogged down and Haber has an idea. You better check in on him, sir. Let's just finish this. But in a famous incident, one of England's leading scientists refuses to shake his hand. A lot of them are like, "This is not how you fight a war.". Terrestrials: A New Kids Show from Radiolab. So, he decided he was going to invent a process to pay for these reparations by himself and what he decided to do is go into the ocean, into seawater, which contains, um, uh, some very small levels of gold. An experiment is being conducted in the elegant interaction laboratory at Yale University. In December of 2001, my father and his colleagues, uh, made the arrest. And we didn't really come to any kind of agreement with the Haber thing. I'm good. Nice sky? This next part's a little graphic. And he says, "Can I come over and sleep on your couch? [inaudible 00:21:03] just cut it out. Now we don't actually know if he threw a party. I mean, you have to remember, during the- during the Crimean War in the 1850s, Europe starves. He actually was very humiliated, uh, that Germany had lost. What my father and his colleagues know is that something was done to these bodies; many of them after they were murdered. Ear drums, God. That's historian Fritz Stern who also happens to be Fritz Haber's godson. Then you left some space at the bottom for them to elaborate if they said, "Yes. And later that night, after party, Haber takes a bunch of sleeping pills, goes to sleep. And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.'". [inaudible 00:59:22] it's building up [inaudible 00:59:24]. Some- some people described it as a cloud, and then, others described it as this kind of 15 foot wall kind of hugging the land. These little nitrogen atoms will fiercely hold together, and it's almost impossible to pry them apart. And what happens is that you're- you're elbowing the nit- nitrogen apart from itself and then, forcing it to bond with a hydrogen in a new way. Here's what he did. And we end with the story of a man who chased one of the most prolific serial killers in US history, then got a chance to ask him the question that had haunted him for years: why? And he throws himself in one of the central issues facing Germany that at that time. Then a few months later, he started calling me, trying to get back together, but I didn't want to. Don't you think you should look in on him, please? Can't keep holding it all in. To the best of your memory, which word was matched with nice? If this is the singular moment in Shakespeare where he gives you un-understandably evil man. Really? Okay, it's all right, but we've got to know that. Yellow mucus was frothing out of their mouths. And that was a question that had haunted my father for decades. If those two participants refused to go on. It's absolutely essential that you continue. You're not the first one. They couldn't deploy it. But we ended up walking this question around different people-. And, you know, my view about human nature is that it affords infinite potential for lightness and dark. You wouldn't though. "I need to kill because of that." That's like an adult blue whale of chlorine. If the experiment had to be successful, it had to be carried on.". When you needed to stop for breath, your hand ran light and steady. But what you're doing is for the good of Germany, and this is necessary in order to advance our noble cause.". I mean, yes, I did lie about that. Haber starts thinking, "In order to do this we need to pressure this, we need to put it under a lot of pressure.". But Haber saw it as a wonderful success and wished- wished that the Germans had been better prepared to exploit it because he felt like they really could have made a terrific advance if they had had more confidence. Any idea what the hell he was intending? He would deny things. And shortly after his return, Clara allegedly confronts him and says, "Look, you are morally bankrupt. "Willing to help and a worthwhile experiment.". Despite the chlorine gas. My point is sometimes when we ask the why in the face of profound evil, I kind of wonder if what we're doing is that we're daring God to show himself. He believes in me and he trusts me and so much. Three, two, one. And then Othello goes and kills his own wife, smothering hew with a pillow. We take a look at one particular fantasy lurking behind these numbers, and wonder what this shadow world might tell us about ourselves and our neighbors. Any time the experimenter said, "You must continue" the shocker would say, "Hell no, I don't.". 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