Though I would be concerned that a person who says the things he says would also have a completely not-of-reality idea of how much housework is being done by whom and, if hes anything like my ex who pulled similar stunts, possibly expecting LW to do most/all of it because hes riding on privilege+entitlement. If you are an academic assigning my posts in your courses, Id appreciate an email with a copy of the relevant syllabus/assignment for my records/CV. Your email address will not be published. The sex may not dwindle, but the cuddling will. Its still really hard to not jump in, but I think those sessions with the therapist made me a much better partner. for forward and backward evolution. Thats why Ive always resisted the exercising with a boyfriend thing. Do either of you even know whether those goals are achievable? It can be really hard from the outside. Drownings letter feels very familiar. Expressing that anger towards the situation? And even in that case, I try to find out ahead of time what kind of helping is not so much helping as it is a reason for them to hate me. Set the boundary with your boyfriend, let him say whatever he's going to say, and try not to internalize any of it. Yo! Also the related ones of oh, everyone feels like that [i.e. I was in a controlling relationship (where I had recurrent depression) and it took being away from my partner for 3 months (he left the country to visit family) to feel the intense relief and lift of stress and realize that the main problem was actually him. Let your thoughts sit while your jealousy simmers down a little bit. (Autocorrect desperately wanted that to read emotionally swankier), And even if they *were* your child it wouldnt be cool to be emotionally spanking them (love that term. Earlier in your relationship, your partner was always interested in finding out things about you, from your goals and dreams, to your likes and dislikes, and even how your day was. There's no excuse for a relationship where one person does all the initiating, it means the other party is either disinterested or being suffocated by someone who wants a lot more interaction than they do. When I started college, and made other friends, and had a job of my own. I agree with the Captains scripts! Theres no excuse for a relationship where one person does all the initiating, it means the other party is either disinterested or being suffocated by someone who wants a lot more interaction than they do. The reason why he stopped making an effort might be because he no longer feels like theres a future between the both of you. And also we tend to be very keen for love and approval and so when we seem to get it in the form of someone else picking us to be their lover its a really heady thing. Until he tells you what the problem is, just let it be. He doesnt seem to be enjoying himself around you anymore now. Even if you end up staying, youll be on much better footing if you know youre not bound there by circumstance. I used to joke about a self-help book called Im OK, Youll Be Okay When I Get Done With You: Ive never seen a copy, but clearly it exists and lots of people have read it. All of the Captains response has me leaping up saying Yes! because I so agree. Of course you want him to make an effort to wine and dine you; his time, effort, and energy shows he cares about you. My partner and I take walks, and thats about as far as it goes at this point. His only motivation to change is to stop you. When i try to move the battery lock switch thing it doesn`t move and it`s like stuck. They threaten to break up with you all the time. He had a car and I didnt, and I didnt live near public transportation. Maybe the simplest (and best, to be completely honest with you about how Im feeling about this dude) answer is:You dont make each other happy anymore, and youd both be happier if you ended it and found someone more compatible. There are certainly some grave warning signs here the passive aggression being one of them; its so easy to let someone know how little you mean to them by ignoring them in the day to day, withdrawing affection and communication. It may well be correct that he loves her, and it may well be correct that *part* of his motivation is to help her do what he knows she wants to do. However, intent isnt magic and the effect of his actions do cause you harm. You know what they do respond to? Guys, on the other hand, typically view themselves as weak and incapable if they voice their feelings or lean on other people for help or support. Listen to his response and try to . Youre should-ing all over yourself. Stuart Smalley (aka Sen. Al Franken). I think you can tell dude that the things he is doing are not helping and that your therapist agrees with you (assuming therapist does and I think therapist is your number one go to about this) and also give him things he *can* do to help you when you are feeling down. Anger flips the narrative. Your boyfriend may have felt secure with you because, in his head, you had low self exsteem and would not look for someone better than him. I suspect a lot of commenters are going to scream angry bees, run away, and theyre not wrong; your partners behavior is a bit like tiger stripes in tall grass: it looks like one thing (concern for you) but might be something far less pleasant. If he really has your best interests at heart, both of you will benefit; if not, you at least will have the benefit of setting those boundaries. This is a guy who hasnt figured out how to be kind and supportive in even the most basic ways. Basically, we are asking each other for the kind of support they want, not necessarily what we ourselves naturally would do. Just looking at those two sentences beside each other without anything else made me realize how ridiculous they sound. Stop the "blame game" and examine your part in disputes or conflict. At all. Most guys will be nice to their friends girl, but usually not overly so. A complicating factor is that there was probably a time when it was comforting to you for your boyfriend to be in that caretaker role and to have him believe so strongly in your power to change, back there during the worst of it. A lot of the time, people feel like they need a Big Serious Reason (like I caught him bonking my sister or he burned my entire book collection then peed on the ashes) to dump someone. He agreed it might help, and I immediately went out and got them and it did help. LW, I struggle with the things you struggle with. The awful thing is that our families groom us to be victims of whatever BS is their flavour of abuse, and then there we are, pre-groomed for whatever arseholes show up to take advantage. Most men and women are very different, and relating to someone who is very different from you takes patience. If you are depressed, and your partner likes and loves you, and observes you engaging in self-harming behaviors, and is unable to support you or help you cease those behaviors, theres a real risk they will end the relationship. The closest he comes is But that doesnt make sense! Which, you will notice, does not contain the word you. A person who is engaged in actual logicking is thinking about statements, not persons, nor how much better they are than you. also: breakfast for dinner is awesome and should be a part of every week Unless you dont want it to be, in which case it shouldnt! He is allowed to disagree with you and to hold a different view, but to shut down your view like that is a red flag. That is some high-level head games. Designate a time to have a conversation just the two of you. This guy is manipulative. You are worth loving for who you are, and you are worth loving the way you want to be loved. I dont know if your boyfriend will ever accept that your moods are part of the package but there will be someone who will. If so, should I remind you in the morning? I have been dating my boyfriend for 2 years and living together for 1. 1) They're guilty and regretful about the breakup When a relationship ends, there's a lot of emotion that's at play. its one of the downsides of having a toddler he still needs decent meals to function at anything like a survivable level. I genuinely loved him, and in his way, I think he loved me too. Its still manipulation. People who base their identity around fixing you have a major investment in keeping you broken. Im also in a place where I need to learn to feel good about myself and yet am in a home environment where I hear waaaay more criticism, scrutiny, and you should/shouldnts instead of support. If he can hear criticism and change his behavior accordingly, then maybe thats a partnership that can be forged. Sure, its better if you are exercising and eating vegetables I guess, but if you dont thats fine youre great anyway. He thought (for a couple of reasons) that it was a scam (as did my Dad who lent me the money to go to the course). you can do it! the whole time. Im not sure if its changing who he is so much as finding out whether hes oblivious and well-meaning or a giant tool. The way to find out is to give him the information that would stop him being oblivious as clearly as possible if he changes his actions he may have been decent all along, if he doesnt then hes conclusively demonstrated jerkitude. It also meant i felt comfortable telling him things as they came up, instead of hiding them or lying because I knew I could trust his reaction. I mention all of this because I remember thinking to myself a lot, during that time, Eh, this is fine. Kindness. Couldnt. It doesnt bother me because of how he asks gently, not sternly, the tone he uses, and because the rest of the time he demonstrates how damnably attractive I am to him. Stop Trying to Fix Your Partner's Feelings Kyle Benson Instead of trying to change or fix the feelings of the person you love, focus on connecting with them. When you don't tell him why he might just brush you off. But let me tell you a little of my story. The human incarnation of depression is just what I was thinking. The BF sounds like he is familiar territory to you, treating you w/ the disregard & disrespect that as a child you were taught was your due. Another pertinent question: How does BF react to advice given by LW? We love each other and were helping each other feel better. Because that kind of encouragement would have felt patronizing to him, were he receiving it. Its like, I am going to have a short break from the environment that is making me so unhappy. So people get made to feel that theyre failing if they have the kind of depression that cant be fixed by green leafy vegetables and jogging (or that they must not want to get well if their depression prevents them from having the energy to cook, exercise, or whatever). People who genuinely are that logical will tie themselves in knots trying to analyze their own feelings. OP: it may be illuminating to think very hard about the actual division of labor in your household. To be honest, Im in a long-term relationship with a dude who is otherwise pretty damn great, but occasionally he comments on my wellbeing in a way that gets my back up (like telling me the severity of my issues is getting worse when Im acutely aware that its because Im under stress, or making it out that Im imposing Difficult Family Members on myself when its either manage a difficult visit or not see my family, ever). Value to him also includes your offering of feminine energy and responsiveness, your surrender to connection moment by moment (which helps deepen your connection and renew his deep attachment to you). Make sure that he has an end game in mind and that he is willing to fight for you as you are for him. Oh wow. Its inexcusable in any of those forms!!! That doesnt. Tell him the reasons why so he can understand. Hes demanding you account for the stuff you do when hes not there, and is a condescending asshole about it. And he could never admit that it was all about him. All couples fight but if every single argument ever leads only to him feeling like you dont want to work on it, then that is definitely something for the two of you to discuss. So I dont get to do this as well as I used to when husband is away. I agree. Soudns like hed already evolved into a wanker. And Im never one to turn down a good Jedi telehug, so thanks for that too. If he realizes how much fun his girlfriend is and misses the way she used to make him laugh all the time, hell come crawling back to you. Up until that point, I was always going to fail because a part of me didnt really want to quit. Apologise, and never say that to me again.. This was where I got very concerned. You cant be shamed or cajoled into doing those things: it might work for a little while, but unless the changes are self-implemented in a healthy and manageable way, theyre not going to stick. The best way to spark your boyfriend's interest and get him to call and text you again is to start genuinely loving your life. If what he says pisses you off, take it as a good sign that your self-respect and self-preservation instincts are waking up and working. People arent all good or all bad, but its okay to leave a good person if theyre treating you badly. Yes. My thoughts are with you, LW! You see, even though neither of us is a terrible person and we both had really good intentions and cared for each other, we had gotten into a deep pattern of being good for each other (even though we werent) and supporting [Partner] (even though we werent) and staying together because we needed that (even though we didnt). You know what, these are things that I have my therapist/doctor to advise me about. I wish I could say I dumped him, but in fact what happened is we got through the sucky date, and he later told me our relationship had gotten stale, citing that fight as an example. By the time our relationship came to an end, we fought about the stupidest things, because we were both really fighting over who got to decide how I behaved. And I think the reason for that might be that he doesnt understand depression AT ALL. We also set aside a weekly time for Partnership Serious Talks and during that time we create a space for advice and suggestions that we then do not revisit at any other point during the week. . He can just take you and chisel at you until he gets the enthusiastic, bubbly, thin dream-partner he wants out of what he sees to be a depressive heap. Hey, when I say, I did X! and you say, Great! Reasonable. Oh, LW, my heart is breaking for you. You dont get a vote and you dont get to write my State of the Me address. Which is, when you get down to it, rather like juxtaposing a floor mop and a ceiling duster as binary opposites the opposition is purely circumstantial, there are more similarities between the two than differences, and quite honestly, if pushed, either of them can perform the same tasks as the other if theyre the only thing to hand. He may have been okay when you were at your most down, but now that youre working with a therapist and coming out of the dark hole you were in, now that youre building your own confidence, motivation and self-respect, hes starting to sound like the sort of asshole who pulls himself up by putting you down. *cough* Nah, it just made me more sneaky and creative, what were they going to do, strip search me? Even if he genuinely wants you to be well and capable and happy, instead of just better conformed to the you he wants, hes being hlepy. He is like the fucking human incarnation of depression. He also once painted a portrait of Hitler, which has got to be one of the worlds most dubious claims to fame! Not once, not twice, but every time you call. (Of course, theyre the first ones to ask Well why didnt she leave? But that partnership is one weve negotiated and practiced over the years. I can go one better! Eat veggies! offered as a panacea for your depression sounded so much like when my fianc would tell me just drive more even on days when I was really struggling with memories of past car accidents. You will lose your boyfriend if you clutch him too tightly. He then said that he was only trying to make her into a better person. Do you want to be like my mum, self esteem completely destroyed, fleeing an abusive 30 year relationship from someone who always thought you were not good enough? Responding to specific, objective elements is reasonable, and a good way to keep score if things are getting better or worse. The difference between this dude and the dudes I know, though, is that when the dudes I know were told to stuff a sock in it because they were coming across all doomy and demanding, they did. Sometimes its not that he doesnt want to make an effort, but rather that his life is just too busy and chaotic right now. A very strange conversation with the chatbot built into Microsoft's search engine led to it declaring its love for me. Challenge your beliefs and self-defeating thoughts about your partner . Expressing frustration towards behaviors? Is he happy? Maybe that makes a good benchmark if someones trying to sort out the real from the fake. It sounds like BF is unhappy with the relationship, but feels like LW has it in her control to make the relationship better, so he is taking it out on her for not being the idealized version of herself. Have trouble concentrating to work? This resonates with me on so many levels, but Im going to send on some advice from future-me that you can enjoy, or disregard as is entirely your desire, because I truly believe that you are the boss, expert and CEO of you. Controlling guys will often immediately come on strong, which can be very flattering. And should usually comes from a not so great place. Is he making home-cooked, healthy meals? If your life bores, frustrates, disappoints, or depresses you, then it's time for a change. Well, thats it, isnt it? Things are a lot better, although sometimes I (or my other partner) have to remind him. It sounds like you live together, and that breaking up isnt a logistically or financially simple matter as well as being emotionally scary and taxing. Except theyre not actually asking YOU whats best for you. I went through a phase when I asked him if he was feeling depressed almost every day at a point when he was beginning to feel better. I like this script because it avoids the teacher/student roles and makes exercise and cleaning and healthy eating something for EVERYONE. It also reads a bit like hes trying to control her looks as opposed to her happiness, though again, my vision may be a bit skewed here. He means well is one of those phrases that is just full of NOPE. Because if so, you need to skip all the subtler steps and skip straight to Therapist, these things my boyfriend does and says are making it worse, help! Right now. I hate to jump on the You Should Probably Dump This Guy dogpile, but something you wrote in your first paragraph really sticks out to me, LW. But I guess its cool because he never got DIVORCED *gasp*. Alas, LWs BF appears to be one of them. I keep telling myself that. TL;DR: I hope you have good progress with your healing, and that either your boyfriend learns to be less of a jerk stat, or that youre in a position to be able to move on/out without him, because you deserve so much more support and respect. It could be as simple as saying to him, I noticed you've been distant recently, is there something bothering you? Dear Carolyn: Although we've had sex before, my boyfriend of two years has zero interest in sex with me or anyone else. Don't waste your time on someone who doesn't want to match your effort. You also have the feeling that something must be wrong between you two because it feels like there are more bad days than good ones lately. He isnt saying anything because there are no rules anymore and nothing is official between the two of you. Second, this worries me, the idea that his view is likely if she just does these things, I wont have to deal with her being depressed.. But when you mention that you wish your partner would eat healthier to be healthier, that's OK. Get him to chase you instead." That is good friendly advice but there's a little more to it than that. The situation seems chock full of red flags to me. I had a sudden and first time episode of pretty bad depression after being with my husband for 5+ years. That can be so helpful. Trouble sleeping. Not good. Mmmm. Let me restate, with emphasis: Getting angry at the depressed partner is not good. And there's a reason he can't let go of her, and there's a reason you feel like the bond you have with . Just. Brief excerpts (<250 words) may be shared with attribution & a link to the original post. But when you the helper decide on your own that (1) theres a problem and/or (2) you have to be the one to fix it, youre wading into dangerous waters. My husband is in a club that meets once a month when he has that meeting I have Chipotle for dinner. Im glad the accidentally-posted link might be of use to you, and Im sorry that youre dealing with stuff similar to Drownings letter. So I get what it feels like to see your partner unhappy and struggling. There were plenty of other things wrong with our relationship, but I was super-duper in love with him except that now I realize the person I ACTUALLY liked, loved, and respected was the imaginary version of him that lived in my head. Actual logic is about statements, facts, reasons, not about How Logical I Am. You are more than good enough you are wonderful, no matter what you are doing, what choices youve made today. First, he says its the stupidest thing hes ever heard. Ive read a ton of stories from people who were pushed, and their health was badly hurt. Flags everywhere! Remote kissing device for long-distance lovers, invented and patented by Chinese university student in Changzhou City.The mouth-shaped module, served as an inducing area . . My ex-husband was horrible about trying to fix me and getting really mad when I didnt want his help. ME. Ive been getting that in a current relationship myself, hey I did X, yay me is almost always responded to with what about Y and Z? That stupidest thing Ive ever heard bit set off major alarm bells for me, too. If LW says Hes developed some very strong and unrealistic expectations about ways LW will change. Because my fianc and I worked things out and are in a good place now, I am hesitant to just say ~DTMF~, but your boyfriend needs to realize that monitoring someone elses habits (even your eating habits!) Emotions are *who we are* and theres no such thing as a feeling or desire that is incorrect or illegitimate. If your social group feels patch and thin, take steps to meet new people. Is there a chance he will realize that the moods are part of the package, and something Im trying to work on gradually, not all at once? He really thought he was helping by being logic- and reason-focused to the point that he would ignore and/or belittle anything I said about how I wanted to be treated unless I could back it up with logic. Ikind of feel like a great, positive life change that will help combat depression is getting this dude the hell away from where you are, OP. When he was in a show that had evening rehearsals nearly every night of the week, I ordered personal Mahi Mahis like every single night. He didnt like how I looked, how I liked to dress, how I acted or thought or analyzed media. Copyright 2011 thru 2023 Jennifer Peepas, all rights reserved. Hes drained; dealing with this depression has sucked his soul out, but he cant tell you that because as I found out pretty clearly in my depressive episodes, someone telling you theyre out of energy to deal with your chronic conditions just feels like your Jerkbrain saying nobody likes youso nobody will admit theyre weary. Its more like, this day is shit, Im tired, but at least I will go do something in the gym later and that will be *different* than what I am doing right now. 6. Cant think of a more clear way to phrase it. My BF was genuinely not a bad guy. Heres some signs your relationship is over in all but name and Facebook status: It may seem like a good thing if you and your man never fight, but take it from a dude I never want to be wrong. Which did he pick, if you dont mind the question? Don't let your wishes control your thoughts and feelings. He might also benefit from seeing a therapist or counsellor himself to get some help supporting you. Most girls take at least an hour, and then they are more than happy to make their man wait for them. Ding! One way to equalize a relationship like this while still showing care for your partners mental health is to maybe suggest fun things to do TOGETHER. But I only understood that in theory, I guess, because in practice, I was still trying to second-guess his desires left, right, and center. He wants me to exercise more, eat healthier, help out more with the cleaning, and take better care of myself. Ways this manifests: BOY does he like to research before making a decision. Like the Captain said, if it helps you have the conversation, totally go for it. He wants me to exercise more, eat healthier, help out more with the cleaning, and take better care of myself. Maybe this will be a huge relief and weight of your boyfriends shoulders once he knows he doesnt have to be responsible for your wellbeing. You can get this functionality for treadmills and ellipticals, too; if anyone is looking for home exercise equipment and if you can swing it, I wholeheartedly recommend it. He no longer asks you about what happened during the day, if you had plans with friends or family, or anything of the sort. In this case, his schedule may actually not allow much free time at all right now. Thank you for getting me out of the house!. even when I was underweight for what is healthy for me, every one of those guys has gotten a big ole plate of Nope Surprise. Dont bring past grievances into it, either. Boyfriend stopped calling me cute pet names. 1. He seems quieter than usual Your conversations are brief, and he doesn't appear to be as interested in your life anymore. Forgive me, but I get the feeling from your letter that its the latter. LW, Ive been in your shoes, and youre ignoring how very NOT nice the boyfriend is being with all this. Ugh, logick-y dudes who want to tell you how to run your life. Consider date nights too. And its also vanishingly unlikely that he can be moved out of the fixer mode. Reasonable. Some people even go on partial social media detox by simply using them for messaging, on the other hand avoiding watching people's stories. ", But It is indeed hard. 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