(Talking in group) This is not about money. They were living like students, says the Rev. Zachary's arrival pierced the hatred toward Turner that flooded the Bagbys' lives after they lost their only son. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' With Zachary strapped to her stomach with a sweater, she jumped into the Atlantic Ocean. After seeing the documentary about this case, "Dear Zachary," I was itching to get my hands on this book. The Hornet was just back from patrolling the coast of Vietnam. The ending was so shocking, I was screaming with David Bagby That bitch! It was part of a pattern summarized in the Canadian governments investigative report: Dr. Not always.. Christopher Snow, of St. Michael and All Angels Church, which the Bagbys attended in Newfoundland. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. '", "The murder has dominated our lives," says her husband, David, 63. Except he picked up as this reporter was leaving a voicemail explaining the call from Newfoundland to Sunnyvale, Calif. Temptation Islandairs Tuesdays at 10 pm ET on USA. Mr. BAGBY: Yes. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. You never know whats going to make you sit and cry for the day.. Trigger warnings for murder, stalking, abuse, and child murder.The Bagbys are saints and seeing the story as it played out for them was better than any true crime book I have read. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. I didn't have. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. What a flaky person. The two eventually lived together again. But something kept me going, and. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Try again. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. "The law had let her out on the street and let her keep formal custody of the baby," says David. Mr. SHEARS: Yeah, I guess it did at the time, but I still didn't have, MORRISON: How difficult must it have been to ingratiate, themselves with their son's suspected killer? Andrew and Zachary's murders. In the beginning, Kate did not pursue any romantic relationshipswith the single menin the house, but David almost immediately started flirting with the single women. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. us around. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. I just want to get through medical school.'. did. (Photo of Kate, Zachary and Shirley; photo of David, Zachary and Shirley; photo of Shirley and Zachary; photos of Zachary with Shirley and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Our usual policy was just to let her go. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. More appropriately, it is written assuming we know the story and want to find out details of the why and the how. She woke the baby and carried him up the stairs to her home, David recalls. But he could not get rid of her.. To speed the process they agreed to conditions imposed by Turner, including that they be searched before every visit. . Extensive research, law proceedings are all included as well as other crimes that happened while the story takes place.Excellent read. That they survived such horrible adversity is a testament to their courage, resolve and love. So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. What they've been doing with their activism is wonderful. The Bagbys thoughts soon turned from suicide. He grew into a smart kid, an Eagle Scout who loved to read. MORRISON: Was she taunting them, they wondered? Time for all of them to get together at McDonalds for Zacharys first birthday party. Both of them were victims of murder. Turner, then 40, drove the 950 miles straight through and arrived at Andrews door at 5 a.m. flying; Canadian flag flying; Supreme Court of Newfoundland building exterior; photos of Shirley; court document; university building; man talking to, reporters; court documents; Kate and David). After trying to make things work for a while, the pair realized they wouldn't be able to overcome all the negativity and obstacles that developed in their relationship after their time onTemptation Island. The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. DNA testing proved he was Andrew Bagbys son. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. Fans loved all of the drama this couple had, on the show so let's hope season three brings just as much heat! MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? KATE: I knew exactly what my son looked at before he died. Newfoundland to meet the now 11-month-old little boy. He was a happy baby, with strawberry-blond hair and Andrew's nose. Please try again. I'm just curious Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, and I wanted to know for safety. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. How could Kate Bagby from Sunnyvale have anything to do with murder? I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Andrew_Bagby_and_Zachary_Turner 314 [deleted] 5 mo. You know how loved ones you've lost take on sort of a rosy glow in your memories? There was a problem loading your book clubs. Thought, you know, `Who would want to kill him?'. I can understand that. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? I never really convinced myself that she, could--that she would hurt Zachary. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. because it's hard to get off Newfoundland. Im sure shes just gone somewhere. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. quiet. MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. He said he had a couple of English nurses who wanted to go to Disneyland. KATE: (Audio recording) Right. The 13-month-old boy died when his mother, Dr. Shirley Turner, held him and jumped into the frigid North Atlantic near Conception Bay South, N.L. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. Telegram file photo. No one can tell the story as clearly and with as much emotion as his father does in this book. "It was a policeman and he was telling me: 'Your son is dead under suspicious circumstances.' Cookie Notice I suggest you keep any heavy items out of reach because you will want to throw them at the television screen & a box of tissues because you will need them. We decided that on the plane.. Kate, the compassionate nurse with the unshakable religious faith. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Well written from the heart and to the point. I was just gone. Please try again. Kate on average, especially at the beginning, tended to break down in despair and tears, David says. But with special people, yes. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. Meanwhile, Kate and David's bond with Zachary grew stronger. It is scary and shocking and I found myself admiring them in a way I have admired few and wondering how they managed to go on. David Bagby. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. Highly recommended. A well written memoir by a father who son was murdered by an ex-girlfriend that was pregnant with his son's child. Now called Dear Zachary, it would be a "letter" to Andrew's son about the father he would never meet. MORRISON: What did you think that she would do, kill you? IE 11 is not supported. A tale of sorrow and survival. Here the grandparents are making nice with the woman they believe killed their, son. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Zachary enjoyed himself in the water and a couple of hours later the Bagbys drove Turner and the baby home. The chief suspect for Andrew's murder was his ex-girlfriend Shirley Turner? They quit their jobs and moved from California to Newfoundland. There was an error retrieving your Wish Lists. ', MORRISON: When Dr. Andrew Bagby's bullet-riddled corpse was, found in a Pennsylvania state park in November 2001, his devastated parents. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Man #14: I admire you and respect you so much for two things. Suspicion immediately fell on an ex-lover, Shirley . He loved to laugh, Kate says. Thankfully, their relationship didn't turn into a lifelong romance. For three seasons now, Temptation Island has been a social experiment to see if long-term couples are able to fix their broken relationships by going on an island full of attractive singles. At first, visitation was limited to one wonderful, torturous hour a week with Zachary. He and Kate say they know now that they have more than anger to sustain them. her. I don't know how they are still living, but he described their heartbreak and pain so effectively. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. MORRISON: But then things changed. "This was our goal," said Bagby. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. The film doesn't mention what consequences Jusitce Gail Welsh faced for allowing Shirley Turner to walk free. Their bodies were later washed up on a beach. KATE: I thought, `Well, he's got to get out of this.'. And I prayed to God to be looking after him. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. Tragically, Shirley kills Zachary in a murder-suicide. They might as well have sent a taxi to her to help take him out and drown him. helped convince me that she would not hurt Zachary. Next: Temptation Island: Where To Follow The Season 3 Single Girls On IG. "I will never forget that phone conversation as long as I live," says the former nurse, 66, who is originally from Rochester, Kent. whether she was capable of hurting Zachary. 1 Photo. Unable to add item to List. 2007 David Bagby (P)2016 ListenUp Production, LLC. Shirley Turner, awaiting, extradition for murder, was out of prison on bail. Written by the father of the murder victim, you learn all the details that led up to his son's murder and the preventable murder of his grandson. Easy duty. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. Andrew Bagby broke up with Shirley but she lured him to an isolated location where she shot him 5 times. (Sea at night; photo of Shirley and Zachary; autopsy report; photo of man; photo of Shirley and Zachary; Zachary sleeping; David and Kate), Mr. BAGBY: Kate just quit. In the, tribute documentary their son's best friend Kurt Kuenne was making to someday, give Zachary, the Bagbys' friends recount how difficult it was for David and. Co-workers later said he told Turner their relationship was finished. was that they'd have to accept her daily phone calls. Take a look at Kate and her new love below: In addition to her thriving love life, Kate also created a brand called Spread the Love, which sells clothing and beauty items. But that is what the Bagbys. This quote is repeated over and over as Kuenne describes plenty of evidence of just that: fifteen-minute suicide watch while imprisoned, threatening to stab another inmate, restraining orders against Shirley by eight different people, previously attempting suicide on an ex-lover's property, etc. ago [removed] duraraross 5 mo. I just finishes the book, and for a first-time writer I thought the writing was excellent. This book was very well written, and straight to the point. 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